Mosler Palestinian Development Plan
The Mosler Palestinian Development Plan
I. Introduction
The continuing economic depression in the West Bank and Gaza is the prime source of misery and unrest. Unemployment is well over 30%, with estimates ranging up to 70%since employment in Israel was been suspended. That the violence is not even more intense under these extreme conditions is perhaps a reflection of the inherently peaceful nature of most Palestinians.
The Palestinian Authority (PA) relies almost exclusively on ‘donor funding.’ No other sources of funds have emerged. The current plan is to maintain the approximately $50 million per month of external donor funding that supports the PA’s current payroll. Loss of sufficient donor funding would equate to further loss of public services and PA. infrastructure, and the increased probability of increasingly desperate behavior.
To compound matters, the world economy is in a cyclical retreat, making further external assistance problematic. Weak economies lead to general fiscal cutbacks, and they also tend to reduce energy consumption, which could mean sharply lower oil prices. As current PA funding seems to be coming mainly from oil producing neighbors, this funding could also be at risk.
The backbone of all societies is public service. The legal system, educational facilities, transportation infrastructure, water and sewer infrastructure, and environmental standards characterize a modern economy. The Mosler Plan presents an institutional framework for implementing a public service program that will both provide the essential public services and foster private-sector development and growth. It is internally stable and requires no external finance.
The Mosler plan empowers the government to provide public service jobs without limit to anyone willing and able to work in a region with devastating unemployment. By providing a means for the government to employ all the labor that is currently idle in the public sector until private sector demand for labor increases, a peaceful and prosperous environment is promoted. And throughout history a government that can provide full employment and prosperity has always commanded the respect of both its citizens and the world at large.
II. Community Service Hours: Program Outline
- The PA will impose a requirement that all residence owners submit receipts for 200 hours of qualifying public service per residence, including both single family and multi family residences.
This requirement is to submit receipts for public service, which means that residence owners have the choice of doing public service work themselves or obtaining the receipts from someone who bought or otherwise obtained the receipts.
The immediate effect of this requirement is the creation an immediate need for public service receipts by residence owners. This incents them to either apply for public service work with the PA to directly earn the needed receipts, or offer for sale goods and services to other private citizens in exchange for the needed receipts.
- The PA will offer qualifying public-service employment to anyone willing and able to work.
The requirement in (1) above caused residents to seek employment that pays them the receipts needed to satisfy their requirement. And by offering employment to anyone seeking it, those who own residents will readily be able to do public service work and earn the receipts necessary to preserve ownership of their property.
- The PA will issue freely-transferable receipts for the number of hours worked. Paper receipts are to be issued by the PA as evidence of hours worked with the inscription ‘this is a receipt for community service labor,’ with denominations of 1, 5, and 10 hours. Additionally, receipts could be further subdivided, perhaps into ten ’6 minute’ coins.
The suggested annual liability of receipts for 200 hours of service represents about 4 hours per week, which is about 10% of a typical work year. (The PA, of course, will make the actual decision of the size of the requirement.) PARs (Palestinian Authority Receipts) are freely transferable and can be acquired either directly from the PA through public service or from others who earned them from the PA.
III. Implications
Automatic Full Employment
Anyone willing and able to do public service work in return for PARs will be given employment by the PA. Residents will desire to be employed in exchange for PAR because they either have a requirement to submit them, or because they will see that real goods and services being offered for sale in exchange for PARs by others who need them.
Total PA Issuance of Receipts is Market Determined
The quantity of receipts issued by the PA is ‘market demanded’ as workers can obtain as many receipts from the PA that they are willing to work for.
No Payment of Interest
With the Mosler Plan the PA has no need for finance or borrowing, and there is no PA involvement in the payment or receipt of interest. It is therefore compatible with both Shari’a and Western law.
The Value of a PAR
The market value of a one hour PAR will be a function of the difficulty of obtaining PARs from the PA. Value is determined in the marketplace by what other residence owners would pay to buy PARs from someone else, rather than do the public service work themselves. For example, the more difficult the public service tasks, the higher the market value of the PAR.
The value of the PAR is therefore independent of the quantity issued or received by the PA, providing that the PA only issues PARs for public service labor and does not refuse to hire anyone willing and able to work. As long as workers must work for an hour to obtain a receipt for one hours work, the value will remain equal to one hour of labor. It will be internally stable without foreign exchange reserves and independent of international trade balances.
IV. Expanding the PA’s use of PARs
This analysis has been limited to public service labor. However, it is likely that shortly after the program is initiated, many other goods and services will be offered by businesses and individuals in exchange for PARs. This will be a function of the number of PARs residence owners, at some rate of exchange, would rather trade something than do the actual public service themselves. These people may be fully employed at other occupations, or simply prefer other types of work than the public service positions available.
At this point the PA will have the option of purchasing these other goods and services with PARs. As before, spending will be operationally limited only by what is offered in exchange PARs. However, this additional PAR spending does reduce the need of residence owners to obtain PARs through public service labor. This in turn will reduce the amount of public service labor they offer to the PA. Therefore, PAR spending by the PA beyond that of public service labor should be limited so as to make sure a credible number of workers must still seek public service employment.
It should also be anticipated that another class of government worker will be desirable. These will be individuals who have special skills (e.g., doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, teachers, etc.) needed by the PA, but who earn more than the value of one PAR per hour in the private sector. To attract these individuals to public service may require that they be paid “market wages” which exceed one PAR per hour. As explained above, the PA’s spending of PARs on these individuals will reduce the number of hours worked by those given the stated rate of one PAR per hour.
In summary, the PA begins with the hiring of public service workers who will receive PARs stating their hours worked. As the program develops, the PA will spend PARs on other things, with a careful eye on the degree that such other spending is reducing the volume (in hours worked) of public service labor. If the volume of public service work is considered too high, other PAR spending can be increased and/or the residency requirement of 200 PAR per year reduced. Conversely, if the volume of public service is considered too low, other PAR spending can be reduced or the residency requirement can be increased.
V. Automatic Stabilization
When the program is initiated, the PA should be prepared for perhaps 25% or more of the working age population to apply for public service work. It should carefully prepare a list of the types of work it wants done and set up a well-thought out system to utilize and monitor the results. Public service work could include all the usual governmental functions, including road building, water and sewage projects, staffing of the educational system, legal system, mail delivery, child care, environmental and cleanup activity, etc. Initially these are likely to be labor intensive activities that do not require extensive capital goods or energy consumption. (Recall that Rome was built without any ‘modern technology,’ and their roads are still being used today!)
With large numbers of workers being paid in PARs, private markets will develop. PARs in private hands will be used by individuals to hire workers previously employed in PA public service. A drop in public-service work hours means that the PA will then be issuing fewer PARs. This reduces the excess PARs in the hands of the private sector, thereby limiting private sector employment. There will always be full employment, but the mix between private sector and public sector employment will vary, as there will always be workers going from private to public employment, and vice versa.
The system works as a stabilizing force. For example, a drop in private-sector output that reduces private sector employment automatically increases public-sector employment. That puts more PARs in the hands of workers to spend in the private sector, which in turn raises private-sector employment. And everyone willing and able to work is working, either in the private sector or the public sector. There are never any unemployed workers.
VI. Enforcement
The driving force behind the Mosler Plan is the requirement that residence owners submit PARs to the PA. This requirement is only as good as the enforcement process. If the PARs are not paid, the PA must have the right to sell the property and thereby attempt to collect the delinquent payments. The PA need not even know who the owner is.
This may seem harsh, but in practice the requirement is rather modest. Remember, public service work is always available, and any property owner need only work four hours per week for the PA to receive the needed PARs. Anyone unwilling to do at least that much for his community should receive little sympathy.
It is also expected that the PA would establish a policy for exceptions. For example, there could be exemptions for poor people that are disabled, aged, or suffering some other hardship.
VII. Potential Areas of Difficulty
Many difficulties are inevitable in a modern society. These include crimes such as counterfeiting, forgery, and other types of fraud. And corruption in general can undermine any political entity.
There is one point of concern somewhat specific to this proposal. Single family residences are required to submit 200 PAR per year, while multi-family residences have a requirement of 200 PARs per year for each rental unit. This provides incentives for various manipulations, for example:
- As many people as possible will want to be categorized as living in a single residential unit. This may lead to people taking steps to recategorize multi-unit buildings as single-unit buildings, perhaps by inserting a few doors into interior walls.
- People will want residences to be owned by an exempt person. The PA will need to carefully determine the language of the PAR requirement and be prepared to make adjustments if abuse becomes a problem.
VIII. Conclusion
The Mosler Plan addresses many of the critical, immediate needs of the region:
- Providing the PA with the means to retain and expand its employees will allow it to build public infrastructure which will then be available for the immediate benefit of all. This includes roads, water and sewer systems, postal delivery, schools, hospitals, policemen, firemen, the legal system, etc, and administrators for all of the projects.
- Keeping the population gainfully employed will tend to curtail political unrest.
- As the PAR rapidly gains recognition as a medium of exchange throughout the region private sector economic activity will immediately benefit and begin to expand.
- The region will be financially independent as it sustains itself internally, and will never be held hostage to outside funding.
- With economic growth comes social and political stability which then further enhances economic growth, and attracts both domestic and foreign investment. For investors, a secure, peaceful, profitable business environment is the prime attraction. Note that the US attracts the highest levels of foreign direct investment even though wages are relatively high.
The Mosler plan presents a sound, practical means of advancing as a nation. It is a plan for an internally stable system that entails no foreign interference, no foreign debt, and no external finance. With a financially independent government able to establish and maintain full employment, the West Bank will reveal unprecedented economic power and prestige, while remaining far removed from financial burdens and instabilities that most emerging nations experience.
This paper will be published in the June 2001 issue of:
Middle East Insight
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January 13th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Very naive. It’s not about a job for them. They could have had that a long time ago by just acknowledging Israel’s right to exist.
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Vilhelmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Israel doesn’t acknowledge the right of a Palestinian state to exist. Why the hypocrisy?
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WARREN MOSLER Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
It’s that the proposed pal state promotes the destruction of Israel, right?
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Neil Landers Reply:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@mike norman, Well, this is just incorrect information. The Palestinian leadership certainly has recognized Israel’s right to exist, and on many occasions. To insist otherwise is sheer dogma.
For example, a 1993 letter during negotiations with Rabin, written and signed by Arafat, states “”the PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.”
There are many other examples like this.
But the more important issue is that it doesn’t matter–there are no preconditions for diplomatic negotiation; preconditions merely serve as a pretext to stall negotiations or reject them. The US doesn’t tell China or Russia to meet preconditions before diplomatic negotiations take place. Only in a radically asymmetrical power relationship can one of the parties talk about “preconditions.” It really means that they have all the leverage, and therefore little incentive (in the short term) to negotiate. In a situation of extreme asymmetry, this sort of thing is what you’d expect.
Lastly, there is a question of international law. After WWII, the US was excited about international law. No longer would states be permitted unilateral aggression. Justice Jackson was the lead prosecutor at the Nuremberg Tribunals, and relentlessly hammered the point that if the rule of law was going to prevail, it had to be applied equally to all parties, the strong as well as the weak. So in the case of Israel and Palestine, we should simply be referring to the rulings of international jurisprudence. The major relevant one in this case is Resolution 242, which even the US signed, and which Israel has not complied with.
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WARREN MOSLER Reply:
December 13th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Agreed the PLO has recognized the right to exist as you stated.
However best to my knowledge Hamas has not?
And the Israelis use the argument that in any case ‘they’ can’t be trusted,
an argument which has prevailed in the ‘west’ for the most part.
Given the state of things, and ‘right and wrong’ aside, as a practical matter seems to me the PLO/Hamas needs to get the US and other
skeptics to believe they do recognize “the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security” by repeating it as
often and as convincingly as possible, both when addressing foreigners and their resident populations,
before anything will change for the better for them?
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Bruce P Reply:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
@WARREN MOSLER,
I just recently discovered this MMT/concept and will continue to read more about it. There are a lot of critics out there for sure and I will investigate this and other claims/criticisms further. Ironically, after reading my first article about MMT, I almost immediately started to think how to “prove” the theory by applying it to some country or nation-state. I have followed the Israel/Palestinian conflict for a few years now and will not share my views on it at this time. When looking for a country to apply the theory to, I did not think of the Palestinians; I thought of West Africa. The problem with West Africa is that the several countries share a currency (CFA) and therefore are under a “gold standard-type” system. This would not work or be difficult to “un/re-do”. Therefore, a Palestinian State would be ideal to use from a monetary system sense. The potential problem is like Mike Norman mentioned, what do they really want. I will tip my hand a little and say that I think they could be convinced to “try” it given their current conditions if the right person or group “marketed” it to them. Having been to a few different countries and learned about a few cultures, I have found that most people really want a lot of the same things in life; A decent job with decent wages and the ability to support a family with dignity. The post is very old and sure many things have changed. But it sure would be interesting to “experiment” with the model on such a grand scale. Either West Africa or a Palestinian State; what a monumental effort it would take. Any updates or advancements on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
WARREN MOSLER Reply:
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 am
Agreed thanks
ESM Reply:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:40 am
@WARREN MOSLER,
Rule of law, private property rights, and individual freedom have to come first. Fiat currency/MMT principles have little relevance, or even meaning, without the former.
In a certain sense, authoritarian governments already run on a fiat currency, where the fiat currency is political clout.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
you’re talking about the leadership.
My take is getting the population to full employment will go a long way towards ending the violence.
yes, i could be wrong.
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John O'Connell Reply:
September 13th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@warren mosler,
Yeah, but it’s the “leadership” that has to be motivated to implement it. I think they probably understand that a more prosperous population would be less inclined to blow themselves up in order to kill a few of their neighbors in Israel.
Good idea, but no buyers in that part of the world. I wonder, though, if it could work in Detroit? Would there be legal obstacles for a city to do something like that, which amounts to issuing its own fiat currency?
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WARREN MOSLER Reply:
September 14th, 2011 at 7:21 am
a city could do it
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January 13th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
So basically the PA Plan calls for:
domestic fx + ELR + 0% interest + a simple property tax.
If it works, forward it to Obama.
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January 13th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
it has to work, as a point of logic!
feel free to fwd on my behalf, thanks!!!
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January 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Warren,
Stick to economics! It’s an economics blog!
The PA is but a front for a ‘Muslim’ holy war against Israel’s right to exist; remember every Muslim (let alone every Christian) thinks they are the keepers of the land their holy temple were built on.
In point of fact, all the Palestinians should probably move to Jordan which is 85% Palestinian anyway and were it not for a peace treaty with Israel and tacit support of the US, Jordan wouldn’t exist. Remember the British mandate and partitioning in 1948 and the creation of Transjordan for the Palestinians? What ever happened to that? You can blame the US (specifically the Dulles[as in airport] brothers) for that fiasco!
And what about the 1 billion dollars Arafat’s widow has from all the Arab donors…why not just put that back where it really belongs—
As Mike Norman said, peace would come but for one thing: the PA won’t let Israel keep Jerusalem. Can you imagine the US giving Manhattan to the Indians? Or can you imagine what the US would do if Mexico fired a missle at Texas (just one missle is all it would take!) The Arab nations have millions of miles and Israel a few hundred square miles–Egypt could give Palestinians twice the area and not miss it, or the Saudi’s or Iraq (!!)…it’s not about land, it’s about being a thorn in Israels side on behalf of Syria, Libya, and especially Iran–their main subsidizer.
I hope you’ve been to the Mideast, Warren, because if you haven’t been to Israel and the surrounding areas you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. It’s not about employment over there, this is about Cain and Abel not payroll taxes and full employment!!!
Let’s stick to economics!
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warren mosler Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I wrote the article for Mideast Insight magazine in DC.
They brought to meetings with high ranking Palestinians and Israelis. All agreed this made sense. The Israeli immediately recognized how it related to their existing currency and we then reviewed how to restore full employment there.
Unfortunately it all blew up shortly after when the Israeli deal was turned down.
Full employment does tend to diffuse political unrest. Yes, there are other factors, but a fully employed population has tended to be less inclined to violence.
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January 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Stick to economics? It screams segregation, or like so many say Its not my job and not my problem. What humans need to do is realize that its all connected, we are all connected, and it does matter if we kill innocent people! I dont care what religious cult someone claims to believe in, if you tell me God gave you something that is mine I am going to think youre cracked!!
So if we can put religious extremism in the past, Warrens plan is right, people need to be able to support them selves. And given the amount of hatred that exists, they are not going to want to use Israeli money.
Furthermore, speaking of Israel, have you ever seen the Fundamentalist Jews fighting with the Moderate Jews over activity on Sundays?
How can so many people want to fight over such nonsense, all we have is life, nobody knows what happens after that. God has never spoken to anyone and NEVER wrote a book!!
It is unhealthy to have a consternation of people like they have there, and Rob is right that they need to spread out. But if you say GOD says you will sound like a lunatic just like the guy who thinks he is going to get the 20 virgins for suicide missions!
Warren wrote this in 2001 before 911, just think if more people would have cared back then, maybe things would be different.
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warren mosler Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Right, thanks.
To the point, all the groups in conflict in the mid east seem to live in NYC and other places in the world without the same kind of violence
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jcmccutcheon Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Yeah, that’s pretty much what the movie “You don’t mess with the Zohan” is about.
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January 13th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
David,
I just fundamentally disagree with you.
The problems they have over there have nothing to do with money, nor can be solved with money. The richest countries over there are some of the most segregated, punitive societies on the planet.
Good luck to you if you think money could help; if it would, it would’ve a long time ago…far before ’9/11′…the history there goes back about 5000 years.
Warren, it’s an economics blog and this is another reason why it should be kept to economics…not sex, not religion.
Rob K.
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warren mosler Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Right, and my piece is about economics- specifically, how to sustain domestic full employment.
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January 14th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Sorry Rob, I just can’t resist adding to the argument a bit.
David, let’s say you have a few acres of land, and you have a neighbor that is determined to put you off of it. I think you should ask yourself what YOU would do if that neighbor kept hurling grenades into your yard all day long, with your kids running around, your dog / cat / whatever. You’ve tried diplomacy, but they just keep at it. You’ve build a big wall, but they just graduate to mortars. You’ve tried clearing out and keeping your family well away from your borders, but they just keep getting longer range, bigger bombs.
Can you honestly, with a straight face, suggest to me that you wouldn’t do anything to protect your self, your property, and your family? I bet not.
There are a lot of people who criticize Israel for what the scale of its actions, but it is important to remember that they come after a protracted period of inaction in response to what are, really, intolerable acts of aggression against its people. As Rob said, if it were Mexico or Canada launching rockets into the US, I doubt very much that the US would exercise the same level of restraint over so much time. Rather, the very first such attack would likely spur calls for reprisal, and within very little time American warplanes would be flying and cruise missiles would be launching. And, it would happen with a preponderance of public support here, because everyone (including you I suspect) would see things differently if it were our cities and our people in the line of fire.
The people who complain about Israeli brutality don’t seem to recognize the fact that in virtually every case, it is the has been the surrounding nations who have acted first. From the very beginning of the modern state of Israel, this has been the case, right up until the current crisis. Do you realize that Hamas fired over 3000 rockets and mortars into Israeli cities in 2008?
What is going on in the middle east is an ugly, vicious, and horrific affair and we don’t need to regard it as a positive. But I think we do need to acknowledge that Israel has a right to defend itself and its people, just as any nation would. You can be certain that the Israeli attacks would not be happening if those mortars and rockets were not falling.
Just my perspective.
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January 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
and implement full employment in mexico right now and we might see people swimming the other way
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Rob K. Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Warren,
One can only take analogies so far.
Implement full employment in Gaza and terrorists will use the money for guns and ammo. Implement full employment for the Taliban in Afghanistan and you’ll get the same thing.
This is, sad to say, a war of ideology…a religious war related to ancient land struggles, impications of the ‘sin of usery’ (forbidden in the New Testament and the Koran, not in the Old Testament…which is why ‘bankers’ of old were Jewish…witness Edmund Safra’s descendants…) and deep, misguided religious conflict. Islam is a peaceful religion in which radicals are particularly entrenched. FWIW, Nostradamus basically predicted this, and predicted it would last roughly 70 years.
Mexico has no such religious conflict…full employment might very well be the solution there…but with that, PEMEX needs structural reform and needs to open its resources to exploration by foreigners and promote attractive investment options (witness Cantarel in huge decline–soon they’ll be a net importer….).
Rob
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January 14th, 2009 at 9:27 am
full employment tends to turn a population inward rather than outward.
and full employment doesn’t give them any more ‘money to use for guns and ammo’ that they don’t already have. it allows people to work, build something they don’t want blown up, and provide each other with services and goods produced with time now being ‘wasted.’
The US cities are also often pretty good examples of how crime is a function of the rate of unemployment.
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January 14th, 2009 at 9:30 am
All that might be true – but when you look at the middle east, you see a lot of young people stting around with nothing to do – the perfect audience for extremists of any stripe. Give everyone a job, and there will still be extremists, but they will find it a lot harder to recruit…
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tt92618 Reply:
January 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Jim, I agree with you that historically it does seem that economic misery breeds virulent ideologies. Consider Germany in the 1930′s immediately after the failure of the Weimar Republic. But I am not really sure that it is quite so simple. Rather, virulent ideologies are easier to spread in chaotic conditions, and these ideas tend to have, as a core principle an opposition to established rule, either internally (as in opposition to the state) or externally (as in opposition and aggression toward other states).
Like Rob, I think the issue isn’t as simple as seeing to it that there is full employment of the population. When you do that, the population becomes the instrument of state power. When the state itself is the primary proponent of an aggressive and virulent ideology, at the very least it seems to me that full employment for the people by the state… becomes a massive propaganda tool empowering the state to further spread its message.
The point I am trying to make is that full employment in and of itself does nothing to guarantee the civility of a populous if the state itself is not civil. Again, consider Germany in the 1930′s after the collapse of Weimar. Germans were well employed during that time… in part building the instruments of war which their aggressive, ideological state would later use to plunge the world into the most horrific conflict of the 20th century.
I do not think it is true that full employment, by itself, necessarily leads to peace and order. Within the state, this may be true, but it says nothing of how the state apparatus itself chooses to concentrate and direct its authority and power, and I think that is the main point.
To be fair, Warren’s plan was written at a time when Hamas was not entrenched in power, and had the PA done what he suggested then, perhaps we would not have seen the ascent to power of Hamas.
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January 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Well said Tt92618.
The collapse of the Weimar Republic and rise of Nazism is an excellent example that extremism and antisocial behaviors can complement good times as well as bad.
I agree that poverty and lack of opportunity certainly breed discontent (South Africa, for example) but there is alot more here than economics: it’s my personal belief, for what it’s worth, that fellow Arab states have conspired to keep the Palestinians impoverished and nationless and created the chaos that Israel, and therefore America, now suffers from. Their benefit to having the Palestinians suffer? Several: first, they view the Palestinians as gypsies–the ‘untouchables’ of the mid east; second, distracting America, third, uniting most Arab states against a common for (Israel, USA).
It is only now that moderate Arab states like Saudi Arabia and Egypt are being themselves threatened by the rise of radical Islam within that they are being rather quiet about this war effort–witness the relative silence from Downing Street, The Palais Elysee, not to mention the general lack of outrage by fellow Arab states…they’re happy to see Hamas get pounded.
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January 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
WE have to drop the fairy tails! Did you know that you can read the same kind of poop into Moby Dick as they do Nostradamus, the bible or whatever ancient CULT book written to control man by MAN?
I went to a public school and only learned about Christopher Columbus and all of those fairy tails. I could never figure out the problems in the Middle East, until I learned about the shady deals made by self appointed rulers before the First World War to steal this land. (Some of the same dudes who did Jekyll Island) Furthermore I am not a holocaust denier but what fairy tail believers dont know is that they were killing allot more than Jews. The list included Homosexuals, Gypsys and who ever resisted, also there is a sect dividing the Jews them selves. The shady dudes never saw the inside of the consternation camps. This explains how they can come from such a mess and do the same thing to the Palestinians, they did not choose! When America took Texas, New Mexico and the other lands there were not 10,000 people per square mile like in the Gaza strip now. The killed almost all of the resisters too, funny they used GOD then too!
Ask your self why did they have to take a land that was populated already? There is soo much unused land, especially back then! Answer? A STUPID FAIRY TAIL! This is the information age and now is the time to learn the truth of what is going on!
Start with the Ring Of Power, I am not saying it is all true, however it make allot of sense to me and anybody with a opened mind!
The sooner we expose the lies the sooner the suffering of the innocent will stop!
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January 14th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Dave, apparently your ‘open mind’ doesn’t extend to honoring people of faith, nor to really exploring the dynamics of what is going on in the middle east. You instead are content to blame religion and extremism, somehow managing a neat act of extremism yourself in your stated beliefs.
These problems are way more complicated than you take them to be. Ideology, religious faith, politics, race, greed, poverty… all play a role, and I have no doubt I am leaving a dozen more out. To chalk this up to being all about religious faith, regardless of whether or not you are a believer in any such faith, is simply an incomplete analysis.
And Dave, whether or not you personally believe or follow a particular religious creed is irrelevant. The communists (and the Nazis!) were virulently anti-religious, and they viciously suppressed faiths of all kinds. Yet, they somehow managed to brutalize millions, starve their own populace, etc… exactly what you seem to think is the only possible outcome of any sort of faith. That means that your insistence that these conflicts all boil down to Evil Christianity / Judaism is just not supported by a thoughtful analysis or history.
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Dave Begotka Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I’m sorry but we seem to have a different history book in our hands, here is a video about Hitler and the Catholic Church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEATQF5lCYo
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Hd'Anjou Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
History books…I was brought to see Auschwitz first time when I was about 10 years old. One full day.Never forgot. War is always
bad. Acquired a tendency to look for solutions from bad situations.In nature, in science. One can find the ways out. Unlike in the
history of most political or religious institutions. One can get frustrated. I liked the simple M.Plan, as it looks like a working solution.I
wonder if there are any plans to continue with it.
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Jim Baird Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Dave, you really need to stop beleiving ever random crackpot video you find on the internet. It’s really becoming tiresome.
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Dave Begotka Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Respectfully speaking, the Victim Argument Does not work here and is part of Divide and Conquer if we are going to get anywhere it has to go away! The person above said that Hitler suppressed religion, however the video shows the catholic church intimately involved with them and if you do a google search you will find that it is more than one crack pot.
I am not saying that there were not huge atrocities committed by evil men for greed and power using religion and other propaganda. We are still learning and the official story has holes, too many for me.
We need to stop the tribal warfare on this planet, realize that we are all earthlings, try and learn from our mistakes and most of all stop the killing! We are the dominant species and not being good stewards of our home and its other inhabitants. Why cant do something about it?
Peace
Steve F Reply:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am
@Jim Baird, actually replying to Dave’s reply to this post: Dave, you talk about being good stewards. Doest’t this imply we have been entrusted with something? Who entrusted us?
January 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am
My opened mind works on facts, science, and physics that I can understand and experience, I am a little fogy on the string theory, but know for a fact that if you drop concrete or steal from 1000ft it will not turn to microscopic dust! I also know I have never seen anybody walk on water, make wine from water, or part seas! I have however gotten a good look at a UFO, it was even featured twice on Larry King! Look up the Stephenville TX UFO on Youtube. By the way it was not a balloon!
If my view offends, it is because I am offended every day by all of the killing on both sides of this mess!
Yes it is complicated, and I realize there is way more to it than religion, however I did point out the root cause and it is obvious! People fighting over land! Just because somebody produces a piece of paper or a flag does not make theft and killing right.
When will we learn, every senseless killing produces 10 times the hate! More terrorists, more freedom fighters, more resentment.
I truly don’t want to hurt anybody, but we all need to become more responsible, and tolerant of others!
Peace
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January 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I can’t see that Israel’s current (and long time) strategy of dealing with the Palestinians will produce any long term peace. Every incursion just helps raise a new generation of terrorists as innocent civilians are killed and their property is destroyed.
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January 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
A comment on the issue why ‘a steel bar dropped from 1000ft does not dissolve into a microscopic dust’.The touched upon Law of Gravity is the most powerful law in the universe.But like all the other laws of nature of the macroscopic level, it has no absolute status. In the view of quantum mechanics, it is a statistical law of nature based on the most possible outcome of many microscopic events. And these happen at the very fundamental level of creation (The Unified Field). The steel bar falls ‘down’, because the law at the most fundamental level generates the most possible outcome on the surface level, as nothing interferes to produce a different result.But if you had a technology to access this basic level and produce an influence there, you could come up with a desired, different outcome on the macroscopic level (an atomic power plant is an example of working with the atomic level using the proper technology).So, there is always a technology…And from the level of the Unified Field only positive, life-supporting influences can be generated by definition.This is the most ordely,peaceful, quiet but also dynamic; THE MOST powerful level.There is no use to play with a steel bar from there, but in many other areas of ‘surface’ life changes might be welcome. And they happen (e.g. in physiology).
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Dave Begotka Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Dude I was referring to the 911 commission report LIES!
http://www.ae911truth.org
You sound like you have some education, give this a look.
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January 28th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Thanks. What I meant to say regarding Mosler’s Plan was that if the environment refused to cooperate, there were ways to
influence the environment.
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February 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
(Re: Jan.30th’..why sth can’t be done’)
On this web page and blog (The Center of The Universe) there are unquestionably the state of the art analyses of the current
economic situation, both regionally and globally.Something can be done. There is a fundamental super-orderly level of nature
discovered to be there.It is thousands of times more powerful than the nuclear level.It is unlocalizable.You cannot actually pin-point
it. But, you can activate it.There is a technology to activate, to engage this level to produce visible results.The results on the
surface, the superficial level of sensory objects are far reaching. There is a body of data based on scientific experiments describing
the results.In every case they show a move toward adding orderliness, ease, power and efficiency.Of the main interest here would
be the effect in the sphere of economics (the indexes improvement) and social behaviour,esp.the stress driven behaviour of
collective groups (one of those is a war), which each time undermines proper, sustained economic growth, and can abort any good
plan).One could venture a pre-phase to The MPDP.
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February 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Simple explanation of what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwxlgh3J49I
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February 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Right.This is exactly what is going on there.There is so much stress (disruptive energy) accumulated in the ME region, that it
influences everybody everywhere in this area.Those who fight as well as those who try to come up with solutions. The only really
effective way to cope with the problem is to get rid of the stress and introduce coherent influence from the deepest level, to
harmonize the area. This is what you do using the TM Sidhi technology.Some experts in international conflict-solving (e.g.Dr.John
Davies)have experimented with it.The advantage of this approach to conflict resolution is that it doesn’t require any intrusive
intervention to resolve the conflict.
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October 14th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Warren, considering Africa, would you be willing to prepare the Economic Development Plan for Mozambique that would improve the situation in the country?
I spoke not that long ago, and the P.M.A. had Mosler Development Plan as one of the options.They just never moved on.
Thank you,
Teresa
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WARREN MOSLER Reply:
October 14th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Just use the Palestinian plan on this website, thanks!
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beowulf Reply:
October 14th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@WARREN MOSLER,
You should put this Palm Beach Post article up (or at least link to it).
“How,” he asked me, “are you going to bring peace to the area with employment running 30 percent and even as high as 70 percent?”
You’ll find the answer in Mosler’s 2,000-word Palestinian Development Plan on his Web page. Or you could trust me to summarize…
http://www.racematters.org/moslerworknotwelfare.htm
The ending of the article makes me think that not only Uncle Sam but any state (or territory like USVI or PR) could enact a jobs guarantee on its own.
“If the United States imposed a public service ‘tax’ of 50 hours a year per taxpayer and made the proof of labor receipts transferable in an open market, we’d have zero unemployment and more roads, bridges, airport runways, hospitals and public buildings that cost nothing for the labor.”
OK the labor receipts are transferable in the open market, like a carbon cap and trade market, but it could also be a “carbon tax” of sorts. We have a fair idea what a full-time worker’s hourly labor is worth. The (uncapped) Medicare FICA tax put on wages. A year’s worth of labor is approx 2000 hours, so 50 hour tax is like a 2.5% wage tax . Medicare FICA is estimated to bring in $80B per point this year. So nationally, $200B a year. I’ll have to think about this some more later, gotta get back to work. Good look with the radio show. :o)
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WARREN MOSLER Reply:
October 14th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
thanks!
October 25th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Instead of taxing each rental unit, why not just tax each parcel of equally sized land the same amount. For example, a house would be taxed the same as an arpartment based on the size of the land parcel not the number of rental units. This would encourage people to build up the land in order to more easily pay the tax.
Sincerely,
Vilhelmo.
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Vilhelmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@Vilhelmo,
Or even better, the tax could be implemented based on land value.
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