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MOSLER'S LAW: There is no financial crisis so deep that a sufficiently large tax cut or spending increase cannot deal with it.

Huffpost comments!

Posted by WARREN MOSLER on November 20th, 2012

So glad to see the comments in defense that are as right on as anything I could have written!

24 Responses to “Huffpost comments!”

  1. Ben Johannson Says:

    I sincerely hope my comments there help more than hurt.

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    WARREN MOSLER Reply:

    yes!

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  2. Mcwop Says:

    Why don;t I see any comments on the story?

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    Monica Smith Reply:

    @Mcwop, You have to scroll down below the ads.

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    Mcwop Reply:

    @Monica Smith,

    I was, but I think it was because I had to access the site with an old crummy version of IE.

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  3. Nihat Says:

    I loved the stable money regime –mentioned in the comments there– where prices fall as productivity increases.

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  4. Monica Smith Says:

    The answer to the question why Congress is restricting the money supply is that it is a power play. The Congress is keen to show the American people who is in charge. In the earliest days, the deprivation of human rights was actually incorporated in the Constitution, despite the disclaimer that “all men are created equal.” At that point in time, the law sort of stood alone as the deprivator of rights of slaves, natives, women, children, and money could be used to buy freedom. That’s how we ended up with a significant population of freedmen, primarily in the northern states where they weren’t liable to be snapped by any officious lawman. It is also how we ended up with women owners of large estates as a consequence of fathers writing up wills that specifically precluded the (mostly roaming) husbands of these women from getting any share of their inheritance.
    Anyway, now that the law is set to promote equality, it falls to the money to enforce the distinctions that are necessary to a social hierarchy. Some people have to be deprived just so some other people can claim to be top dogs.
    The impulse towards segregation is really hard to resist, if only because some people are convinced that without the promise of a reward, nobody will do anything at all.

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    Vincent Reply:

    @Monica Smith,

    ah, you must be yearning for the 108th and 109th congress. though i bet you were among those who voted them out. remember how much they were criticized back then for their free spending?

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    Monica Smith Reply:

    @Vincent, It wasn’t for their spending they were voted out, it was for their wanton killing of humans, both domestic and foreign. I am one of those who knows full well that the AUMF was a bi-partisan Congressional action. I do not bemoan the retirement of Howard Berman. Petty potency has been a bi-partisan affliction.

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  5. Monica Smith Says:

    But, I have some questions that are not entirely germain. To what extent does restricting the availability of money — i.e. rationing the supply — promote hoarding? Is the response to the availability of money the same as to the availability of a commodity like flour or fuel or other necessities of life? Does scarcity, whether natural or artificially created, propell the propensity to save into excess accumulation and hoarding? Is it something that only endemically insecure people engage in or is it a universal response?

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    Dave Reply:

    @Monica Smith, Your answer can be found in the recent cut off of the Twinkie supply. :-)

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  6. Jonf Says:

    There’s this one guy there who has long run on sentences that lead nowhere, so far as I can tell.

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  7. Jonf Says:

    Most of mime get deleted. I can’t contain myself with some of the nonsense.

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    Ben Johannson Reply:

    @Jonf, Gotta get your Zen thing going.

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  8. Jan Says:

    Robert Lucas gobsmacking stupidities on debt- Professor Lars Pålsson Syll Malmö University
    20 November, 2012 at 18:08
    http://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/robert-lucas-gobsmacking-stupidities-on-debt/

    Interviewed in a Swedish Television documen-tary on the the economic crisis (aired yesterday on SvT), Nobel laureate Robert Lucas answered a question (wind to 19:40 in the programme here http://www.svtplay.se/video/591940/19-11-del-2-av-3 ) if the level of debt was a problem, by telling us that the high level of debt is not an interesting problem, since, for a country as a whole, debt and credit always “cancel out.” Unbelievable stupidity even to come from a Chicago economist. Fortunately Dirk Bezemer and Steve Keen were also interviewed and could sort things out and give a more sensible view on the increasing indebtedness of modern economies.

    Debt-deflation and austerity-Professor Lars Pålsson Syll-Malmö University
    20 November, 2012 at 21:24 http://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/debt-deflation-and-austerity/
    Some of my readers have asked me if there really is any difference between solving the liquidity trap by lowering real wages via inflation or by lowering nominal wages. Are they not equivalent measures?

    No, they are not!
    As John Maynard Keynes wrote in General Theory (1936):

    The method of increasing the quantity of money in terms of wage-units by decreasing the wage-unit increases proportionately the burden of debt; whereas the method of producing the same result by increasing the quantity of money whilst leaving the wage-unit unchanged has the opposite effect. Having regard to the excessive burden of many types of debt, it can only be an inexperienced person who would prefer the former … If a sagging rate of interest has to be brought about by a sagging wage-level … there is … a double reason for putting off investment and thus postponing recovery.

    Or as Irving Fisher – the originator of the debt-deflation theory – wrote in Debt-Deflation Theory of Great Depressions (Econometrica, 1933):

    In summary, we find that: (1) economic changes include steady trends and unsteady occasional disturbances which act as starters for cyclical oscillations of innumerable kinds; (2) among the many occasional disturbances, are new opportunities to invest, especially because of new inventions; (3) these, with other causes, sometimes conspire to lead to a great volume of over-indebtedness; (4) this in turn, leads to attempts to liquidate; (5) these, in turn, lead (unless counteracted by reflation) to falling prices or a swelling dollar; (6) the dollar may swell faster than the number of dollars owed shrinks; (7) in that case, liquidation does not really liquidate but actually aggravates the debts, and the depression grows worse instead of better, as indicated by all nine factors; (8) the ways out are either laissez faire (bankruptcy) or scientific medication (reflation), and reflation might just as well have been applied in the first place.

    Austerity policies will only bring our economies deep into the kind of debt-deflationary depressions that Fisher and Keynes warned us of in the 1930s.

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    Monica Smith Reply:

    @Jan, The assignment of agency to immaterial forces should be inherently suspect. It’s sort of like using the passive voice, which we were all warned against in eighth grade.

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    Jan Reply:

    @Monica Smith, Yes.Notice also that Robert Lucas thought it was PRIVATE,debt and credit that always cancel out,not PUBLIC debt,that would make much more sence,but since he is fiscal conservative as rest of the Chicago school i guess he actually believes in what he says.And it´s a serouis problem since much of the theories that Lucas and his followers advocate are incorporated in mainstream,even New Keynsian approach ,rational expectations,representaive agents etc.John Kenneth Galbraith described the phenomen and called it “Belmont Syndrome” in 1980s.The professors at Harvard lived in Belmont,a nice pretty suburb,a happy life,travelled from computer to house without any disturbing intervention in their thought and models from Ronald Reagan.
    Conversations with History: John Kenneth Galbraith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNgfIH5pyxg

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  9. jerry Says:

    I was reading through the final section of your 7DIF, and I was glad to see you had included a recommendation for a public-option healthcare system. It seemed odd that you had no suggestion there regarding our higher education system, however. Given the absurd costs of going to college these days, do you have any recommendations on this front? The problems there seem to be similar with our healthcare system – a completely distorted market structure that results in a race to the top for prices. Would be interested to hear your take on the topic, or perhaps you’ve addressed it elsewhere?

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    WARREN MOSLER Reply:

    see the parts about children being an investment vs an expense?

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    jerry Reply:

    @WARREN MOSLER,

    Well yes, but that part seemed rather short on specifics compared with your other proposals. Would you support a publicly-funded college education for all high school graduates? It seems odd that we should provide education for everyone up until high school and then stop there.

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    WARREN MOSLER Reply:

    yes, i support public support for higher education. and i particularly don’t like the current arrangements re student loans, etc.

    again, i support education as investment for public purpose, and it’s my humble opinion that a liberal arts education for as many as possible as serves the public purpose of promoting the general welfare. And, somewhat separately, vocational training can serve public purpose as well. And I agree I need to come up with specifics as what we have has gone seriously bad.

    jerry Reply:

    @WARREN MOSLER, Sounds pretty good. Outside of the whole gross misunderstanding of fiscal policy, healthcare and education strike me as the primary issues to tackle. I guess the guaranteed student loans and private health insurers respectively serve as the conduits for ever-increasing costs in their markets, lack of competition, administrative waste, etc.

    Anyways, thanks for the level of interactivity that you provide on this blog. I’m a relative newcomer to the MMT world, and although the explanations can be a bit over my head, it’s good to have people to bounce questions/ideas off of. Keep fighting the good fight!

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    WARREN MOSLER Reply:

    I also don’t think admitting students to schools on anything other than some semblance of merit serves public purpose. That includes private institutions accepting students on ability to pay, family connections, etc. I do agree on incentives for efficiency of course.

    DOB Reply:

    On the question of higher education, I’d recommend listening to what Milton Friedman had to say.

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